when you hear john boehner and mitch mcconnell say we recognize there needs to be new revenues in the deal, that's big. >> very briefly, dana, does grover norquist though still frighten some members of the house? >> oh, he frightens a whole lot of them. that's the thing. there's two-thirds, three-quarters, maybe more of that caucus are the conservative republicans, and jared is right. the problem isn't grover norquist per se. he's an entertaining, happy warrior. the problem is there are people who are following this. there's always going to be a guy like that. the problem is how much power he is. >> the thing about grover is he's going to march in front of the parade. what matters is whether he's going to have troops behind him and some of those troops are peeling off. >> let's hope so. jared and dana millback, thank you, gentlemen, so much. stay with us. much more ahead. oh no, not a migraine now. try this... bayer? this isn't just a headache. trust me, this is new bayer migraine. [ male announcer ] it's the power of aspirin plus more in a triple action formula to relieve your tough